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Jesus as the beginning of God by John Ferreira

Jesus as the beginning of
God’s creation.

 

To understand Rev. 3:14 you have to understand the two creations. We have the Genesis creation and the new creation referring to Jesus and his establishment of the church and the age to come.

Isaiah 65:17 “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he may have the preeminence.

This is not Genesis.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Jesus is the beginning of God’s new creation, not the Genesis creation.

Ephesians 2:15 having abolished in his flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in himself one new man from the two, thus making peace.

Ephesians 4:24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

Colossians 3:10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of him who created him.

Jesus is the firstborn from the dead, which makes him the first or beginning of the new creation.

Listen to Colossians 1:16 and you will hear kingdom language regarding things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers IN heaven and ON earth, not THE heaven and THE earth. This is not Genesis language.

Colossians 1:16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

The flesh and blood Jesus had his beginning 2000 years ago. he had to grow in wisdom and stature and had to learn obedience …

Hebrews 1:1-2 tells us that God did not speak to us through His Son in the Old Testament. Jesus himself says it was God who created Adam and Eve, not himself.

Mark 10:5-6 Jesus answered and said to them, “Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’

Jesus is the firstborn from the dead, he is a new creation, which makes him the beginning or source of God’s new creation.

God plainly says that it was He alone who all by Himself stretched out the heavens and laid the foundation of the earth.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am Yahweh, Who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself.”

How and when did Jesus become the Son of God? Was it before his birth or at his birth…listen

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore,

(or because of this)

that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.”

Luke 1:35 The angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come to you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the holy child developing inside you will be called the Son of God.”

Luke 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and God’s power will rest upon you. For this reason the holy child will be called the Son of God.”

Luke 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the “holy Child shall be called the Son of God.”

All these translations indicate how the origin of the Son of God started at his birth and not before his birth. The goings forth of Jesus was from before the foundation of the world in the foreknowledge of God’s mind as part of His plan. This is indicated all throughout the Old Testament as Jesus being the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world and as the seed of the woman in Genesis and the seed of Abraham and the seed of King David but none of this refers to a literal Son existing in the Old Testament.

  

Micah 5:2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall come forth to Me
The One to be Ruler in Israel, whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting.”

Many have used the above verse to teach a literal preexistence of Jesus but once again what we have is a misinterpretation of the plan and foreknowledge of God.

First, notice how Micah was only making known how the promised Messiah was to come out of Bethlehem and we know this happened at the birth of Jesus. Micah was not describing a literal reality at the time it was written, but rather, he was revealing a promise for the future.

Secondly, Micah is revealing how the coming Messiah was not a last minute idea of God, but rather, the promise of a Savior for man was in the plan and foreknowledge of God … The hope of a coming Messiah to save God’s people is what the people of God, in Jesus’ day, were waiting for.

Luke 2:25-32 At that time there was a man in Jerusalem named Simeon. he was righteous and devout and was eagerly waiting for the Messiah to come and rescue Israel. The Holy Spirit was upon him and had revealed to him that he would not die until he had seen the Lord’s Messiah [Yahweh’s Messiah]. That day the Spirit led him to the Temple. So when Mary and Joseph came to present the baby Jesus to the Lord [Yahweh] as the law required, Simeon was there. he took the child in his arms and praised God, saying, “Sovereign Lord, now let your servant die in peace, as you have promised. I have seen your salvation, which you have prepared for all people. he is a light to reveal God to the nations, and he is the glory of your people Israel!”

When you’re waiting for something it means it has not yet arrived.

A sister verse to Micah that people use to confirm Micah and teach a literal preexistence of Jesus is found in John 8:58.

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

People use this statement of Jesus to prove that he literally existed in the Old Testament. But just like how the people in Jesus’ day missed what he was saying, we have many people today doing the same thing. Let’s read it in context and listen carefully to what is being said. We must be careful not to bring our preconceived beliefs into the conversation.

John 8:54-58 Jesus answered, “If I honor myself, my honor is nothing. It is my Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God. Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it and was glad.” Then the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them,
“Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

We have been taught, through these verses, that Jesus was revealing his preexistence to the religious Jews. Those who teach this from these verses have come to the same wrong conclusion as the Jews did back then. The wrong conclusion is seen in how the Jews questioned the fact that Jesus said he saw Abraham. Jesus never said he saw Abraham. What he did say is that Abraham SAW HIS DAY and rejoiced. It was the Jews who misquoted Jesus, which has led to our confusion today.

What did Abraham see that caused him to be glad and how did he see it?

Abraham saw, by faith, Jesus’ DAY and rejoiced. This day is referring to the coming of the promised seed according to God’s plan. God told Abraham that he was (present tense) a father of many nations even before Abraham had any children and Abraham believed God.

James 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God.

The promise of God was to be fulfilled in Jesus as being the promised seed of Abraham and Savior of God’s people. This is what the people of God in Jesus’ day were waiting for.

By faith Abraham saw Jesus’ day and believed and rejoiced because of it. We know this day was a future day that Abraham saw because Abraham died without receiving the promise.

In order for God to reveal his plan to Abraham, regarding the day of Jesus, the plan would have had to have been in existence before Abraham was even born. Jesus understood this because he knew his Father’s plan through reading the Old Testament Scriptures so he could say, “Before Abraham was, I am”, referring to the foreordained plan of God. In other words, before Abraham ever existed, the seed was already in route. Listen.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise his heel.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ.

PS Concerning similar verses in Colossians, please see also :-

Colossians 1.15-19 Revisited

Colossians 1.15-19 Revisited Part 2

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Quick Question for Trinitarians!

Quick Question for Trinitarians!

This is a scripture that should really jolt any true critical thinker wide awake if he or she is interested.Acts 3:13 says:

“The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers,
has glorified his servant Jesus.”

Okay, first note how the “God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers” is distinguished from Yeshua as a separate being, succintly and irrefutably. Next, a serious question that must be answered: If the “God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers” is a triune homoousios, how can He “glorify his servant Jesus” if Yeshua is that same
“God of Abraham?”
Yes, Acts 3:13 proves with zero doubt who the God of Deuteronomy 6:4 really is! If that God is supposed to be a trinity, then one would have to say “the trinity glorified his servant Jesus.” I can hear the trinitarians now telling me that sometimes that One God is identified as just the Father, and I would agree in a more consistent manner, but I think it’s preposterous and desperate to make up whoever you want him to be at any given time to suit your own presuppositions and desires. If you’re going to say it’s just the Father in Acts 3:13, then you should be consistent with that. Where’s the holy spirit here? Is the “God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers” one, two, or three persons in Acts 3:13, and why would it ever be okay to be inconsistent with that interpretation? As a trinitarian, how comfortable are you saying that the One God of our fathers from Deuteronomy 6:4 glorified his “servant” Yeshua? What common sense impression should be gathered from such a statement?
SOURCE: http://yahislove.blogspot.com/2012/10/quick-question-for-trinitarians.html
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Are you scared of “Crisis of Conscience?”

Are you scared of “Crisis of Conscience?”

 

When recommending Ray Franz’s books to Jehovah’s Witnesses, I am most often met with appalling disgust and sentiments like “he has no proof for anything and demonizes Jehovah’s organization. No way will I read his books! You hate Jehovah’s Witnesses!” I actually, I’m ashamed to admit, I used to share these wacky ideas because I was heavily indoctrinated with persuasive and bias Watchtower literature, which somehow causes JW’s who heed it to be terrified that any criticisms of the Watchtower are apt to not only be wrong but downright dangerous because they could shipwreck your faith entirely, causing you to lose Yahweh’s favor. Yes, a good sign you’re in a cult is when the leadership inspires great fear when it comes to examining the opinions of those who question the leadership’s claims. When Jehovah’s Witnesses respond the way I just noted, I will typically respond this way:

 

Imagine for a moment that as a Jehovah’s Witness you’re witnessing to a Mormon. You recommend a book to that Mormon that exposes the truth about Mormonism and all the deceptions in it. However, the Mormon has been told by his leaders not to read any literature that doesn’t come from them. That anyone who tells him that Joseph Smith or Mormonism are in any capacity wrong or to be questioned conscientiously is mentally diseased, possibly even demonized. That such persons are only trying to demonize Joseph Smith and Mormonism and shipwreck his faith and relationship with his creator. To avoid those persons with any dissenting information about Mr. Smith or Mormonism like the plague, as if they could destroy him, since that is obviously their goal. And as you, the sincere Jehovah’s Witness, also try to hand this Mormon a Watchtower with an article about Mormonism’s and Joseph Smith’s deceptions, this Mormon says “no way will I read that. I know better. You’re just trying to demonize the only true religion and shipwreck my faith. You obviously hate Mormons. Go away.”

 

What would you think about this Mormon and how would you feel? (And I’m not suggesting Mormons would act this way..it’s just a fictional illustration intended to make a point.) And would the reason for trying to help this Mormon have been because you hate him or because you care about him and want him to find out the truth?

 

However it is you would feel and whatever it is you would think, that’s kind of how folk like me feel and think when JW’s act like the Mormon in my brief illustration.

 

In reality, who’s demonizing who here? And what are they trying to hide? Shouldn’t truth be able to stand up glowingly to any scrutiny? The Watchtower unfairly demonizes Ray Franz. The only way you could possibly know if he unfairly demonizes them is if you give him the same shot you’ve given the Watchtower. If you ever read his books (“Crisis of Conscience” and “In Search of Christian Freedom”), not only will you be glad you did, it may change your life for the better if you care about holy scripture, justice, and truth. Ray Franz was a Christian man who knows everything that happened in the governing body meetings for a time because he was a member! He has proof and documentation for almost all of his claims, sharp and undeniable reasoning, and compassion for Jehovah’s Witnesses like only someone who has been one could. I used to literally be scared to even have one of his books in the same neighborhood as me, much less pick one up to read. I am truly ashamed of myself for that.
I feared men
. No more. I bet you have seen some so-called “apostate” videos or websites where the people were disrespectful and off-putting. Franz is the OPPOSITE of that. If you are willing to examine the sincere truth about the Watchtower, respectfully and irrefutably presented, Ray is the way to go! He didn’t harbor all the bitterness and anger and hatred a lot of ex-JW’s have even though he probably was more entitled to it than any other ex-JW after all he went through, after how harshly he’s been demonized & slandered.
It is those Jehovah’s Witnesses online who ARE checking out supposed “apostate” web pages and youtube videos and blogs (etc.) who generally say Franz’s books are a no no. Seems a little hypocritical, doncha think? So don’t be like the Mormon from my earlier illustration. The bible says to make sure of and examine all things. Ray Franz wasn’t critical of the bible or Yahweh. Watchtower literature is not the bible and the governing body are not Yahweh, so you should be able to discern the difference there even though the Watchtower attempts to conflate them all, imprisoning  JW’s in the fear that to entertain conscientious criticism of an organization is somehow the same thing as questioning Yahweh himself! Ridiculous. Franz didn’t fear men.  Do you?

 

I really care about and love Jehovah’s Witnesses. I mean no harm here just like JW’s would mean no harm if they were to witness to a Catholic about the problems within Catholicism’s religious institution. As a Jehovah’s Witness, you wouldn’t do it to “demonize” Catholics because you hate them..you would do it to help them find Christian freedom because you care about them. So why and how could you accuse people like me of hatred and slander when I’m only doing the same things JW’s do..trying to reach people with what I consider the good news from the bible while also informing them of certain dangers within religious organizations that don’t conform.

SOURCE: http://yahislove.blogspot.com/2012/11/are-you-scared-of-crisis-of-conscience.html