The God of Jesus

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TRIUNE GOD OF CONFUSION

By Tony Baugh

Speaking as former Trinitarian, I did not come to reject the Trinity flippantly and frivolously, which was never a doctrine of the early apostolic church, but instead was established in the 4th Century by the Catholic Church via the Nicene Council, but rather came to my position by reading the Bible with honest eyes & heart, and seeing that the Trinity simply did not make sense in light of scripture, and created confusion about WHO God & His Son really are, as passage after passage clearly states time and time again, that Jesus is the Son of God, who has a God, who is His Father.

There is a very good reason the Bible never once says “Jesus is God”, nor ever uses parroted terms never to be be found in scripture, such as, “Godman” or “God the Son”, because the very rock Jesus Himself said His church is built on is the confession that Jesus is the SON OF GOD.

There is absolutely nothing whatsoever that could be more absolutely fundamental & vital to the Christian Faith than to know WHO God & His Son are, that we may have a relationship with them, which is precisely the diabolical purpose of the Trinity, which is cleverly and diabolically devised to keep souls in the state of confusion of not knowing who God & His Son really are, which according to scripture, is antichrist…

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.” ~1 John 2:22-23

To prove this confusion; when Trinitarians are pushed on exactly what they have been indoctrinated to believe, they will perform an array of parroted mental gymnastics & theological acrobats to protect their idol & true god, their “Holy” Trinity. Trinitarians do not worship the ONE God, but worship a slyly devised polytheistic three-headed triune “god” as God. In short Trinitarians do not worship God, they worship the Trinity.

As some examples; When asked WHO Matthew 1:18-20 says Jesus is the child of, it’s like pulling teeth for them to admit in crystal clear black & white the Bible says Jesus IS the child of the “Holy Ghost”, conceived BY the Holy Ghost, even though scripture states, plainly that God IS a Spirit, that God IS Holy, that God IS the Holy Spirit, who dwelt IN His Son (not AS His Son), who Jesus Himself said is “GREATER” than He is, and that the works He performed and words He spoke were “not of myself”, but rather of the Father (Holy Ghost) dwells IN Him, who as “I AM”, worked & spoke THROUGH His Son, not AS His Son. Trinitarian doctrine explicitly states that God the Father is not the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost!

Or, when they use Genesis 1, “LET US make man in OUR image”, ASSUMING “us/our” is the Trinity, or John 1 “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God”, which in their trinitarian minds they equated “Word” with “Jesus”, they are unable to answer WHEN the Son was first “begotten”. So they will parrot unbiblical terminology such as “eternally begotten”, ignoring “THIS DAY I have begotten thee”, which denies God even has an “Only BEGOTTEN Son”, that His Word was MADE flesh AS the Son. Because quite simply, if the Son always eternally existed, He was never “begotten”.

Or, to prove Jesus is God Almighty Himself, they will hypocritically use the same passage Oneness folks use (Isaiah 9:6) to prove Jesus IS the Everlasting Father. And when you ask them if they are using the passage to prove Jesus is Father, they have no answer, because Trinity doctrine explicitly states the Son is not the Father & the Father is not the Son!

Confusion on a grand master scale.

Again, the Bible warns we are “anti-christ” if we deny the the Father & Son, who are IMPOSSIBLE to know if we don’t KNOW which is which & who is who, because whosever does not know the Son, denies the Son, and therefore does NOT have the Father/Holy Ghost (1 John 2:23)!

And when all else fails in their attempt to clarify WHO God & His Son are, they will declare that the Trinity is a “mystery” human minds just cannot fully comprehend, that we cannot fully understand WHO God & His Son really are, which DOES make God the “author of confusion”, even though Peter DID comprehend, who correctly stated, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God”, as well as Paul, who said, “But to us there is ONE GOD, the FATHER”.

And even more insidiously, the Trinity deceives souls into denying Jesus was born as fully human man made & tempted in ALL points as we are, “in the flesh”, therefore sadly and tragically, they die deceived believing they were saved IN their sins, because of the Gnostic Augustinian lie of Original Sin (another Catholic doctrine), they believed that only a superhuman hypostatic “Godman” could defeat sin, and that if we will just have “Faith Alone” that He obeyed FOR us, to save us IN our sins, that HIS righteousness will magically “imputed” to us, and we will be righteous in the sight of God, thereby creating a “Jesus ” who is impossible to follow, taking up our own cross and denying ourselves, as Jesus commands we must, walking even as He walked…IN THE FLESH.

If we are all truly honest with ourselves, we will admit that a “triune god” would never be derived from any honest reading of scripture, but rather that the Trinity has been parroted and pumped into our indoctrinated heads so much so, that we ASSUME that’s what scripture teaches, but it simply does not.

Let’s be honest, if a Bible washed up on a desert island beach, and someone had never heard of a “Trinity”, the chances are a million to one that on their own they would ever conclude, “Ah ha!…God is triune, composed of three persons!!!”

Trinitarians do NOT worship the ONE God of Israel (Deut 6:4), but rather worship a slyly devised polytheistic three-headed triune “god”, as God. In short, Trinitarians do not worship God, they worship the Trinity.

Essentially, Trinitarians believe, whether they will admit it or not, that God give birth to Himself as Jesus, prayed to Himself, obeyed Himself, feared Himself, forsook Himself, raised Himself from the dead, and now sits at the right hand of Himself!

Confusion.

Let us be honest folks about what the Word of God says; Jesus is NOT God the Father, Jesus IS the SON of God, God IS the head of Christ, who Christ Himself said IS GREATER than He is, God is NOT His own Son, Jesus is NOT His own God, Jesus did NOT pray to Himself, Jesus did NOT fear Himself. Jesus did NOT obey Himself, God did NOT say, “This is my beloved self in whom I am well pleased”, Jesus did NOT ask Himself, “Let this cup pass from myself”, Jesus did NOT cry, “Why have I forsaken myself?”, Jesus did NOT say, “No one comes to me but by me”, Jesus does NOT sit at the right hand of Himself, but rather as the one mediator between God & man, the MAN Christ Jesus.

So who is Jesus?

Jesus wants to know who WE say He is. And WHO He is, is the very foundational rock He said that HE will build His very church on, that the gates of hell shall NOT prevail against, which Peter correctly answered…

“Thou art the Christ, the SON of the Living God.”

“But to us there is but ONE GOD, the FATHER of whom are all things, and we in him; AND one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” ~1 Corinthian 8:6

“That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the FATHER, AND with his SON Jesus Christ.” ~1 John 1:3

“For there is ONE God, AND ONE mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus.” ~1 Timothy 2:5

“And THIS is life eternal, that they might KNOW THEE the ONLY true God, >>AND<< Jesus Christ, whom THOU hast SENT.” ~John 17:3

 

Source: TRIUNE GOD OF CONFUSION

Assuming Unitarianism

CONTRA MODALISM

In several debates between Biblical Unitarians and trinitarians, the argument has been brought forward by trinitarians that Biblical Unitarians are guilty of “assuming unitarianism”; it is suggested that rather than deriving their unitarian beliefs from the Bible and/or sound reason, unitarians instead begin with the assumption that their views are true, and only by working backwards find what appears to be support for their views in the Bible. If one did not approach the Bible with the pre-supposition of that the one God is only one person and that Jesus Christ is a man, one would not find it there, these trinitarians argue. This is a very common trinitarian argument- is there a good answer to it?

In this post I want to look at some of the “assumptions” Biblical Unitarians are guilty of which lead them to find their views in the Bible, and show that these cannot fairly…

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That YHVH is One Person and Jesus Christ Another, Proved from Acts 4:24-30

YHVH, the Creator of all things, the one God, is one person, and Jesus Christ is His Anointed, His Servant, and His Son, another person and individual being distinct from the one God.

CONTRA MODALISM

And when they heardthis, they lifted their voices to God with one accord and said, “OLord, it is You whomade the heaven and the earth and the sea, and all that is in them,25whoby the Holy Spirit,throughthe mouth of our father David Your servant, said,

‘Why did theGentiles rage,

And the peoples devise futile things?

26‘The kings of the earthtook their stand,

And the rulers were gathered together

Against the Lord and against HisChrist.’

27For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holyservant Jesus, whom You anointed, bothHerod andPontius Pilate, along withtheGentiles and the peoples of Israel,28to do whatever Your hand andYour purpose predestined to occur.29Andnow, Lord, take note of their threats, and grant that Your bond-servants mayspeak Your word with allconfidence,30while You extend Your hand to heal, andsigns and wonders take place…

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“Jesus had to be God to atone for our sins.”

“Jesus had to be God to atone for our sins.” Really?

Got a Scripture for that?

Many people have said to me the last months that Jesus had to be God to atone for our sins. My challenge is to show me Scriptures that say so. If such a claim is true, it should be explained in the Scripture from front to back, from one side to the other. If there is no Scripture that says that, then we should rethink our theology before making such a claim. Perhaps that claim is a creation of the human mind (satanically inspired?). The claim in effect is telling God the conditions under which we will accept Him and His Messiah. It is telling God, “I won’t accept you unless You die”.

But we shouldn’t tell our Maker what He must do. Israel tried that numerous times. It never worked (e.g., Isaiah 45:9-10). We don’t make the rules for the forgiveness of sin, atonement, or for any of our relationship with God. God tells us what is necessary. God said to man “You will die”. Satan chimes in and says “Man, you won’t die.” Man thinks and says, “I (my real self, my spirit) won’t die, but God, you must die”.

God has told us that the death of the human Servant Messiah descended from David, Jesus, is sufficient for atonement for sin.
But we want to tell God, “No, I won’t accept the death and resurrection of your human Messiah. That’s not enough. God, You must die.

Other Trinitarians say, “No, God didn’t die, only the human Jesus died”. But the Trinitarian’s “two-natured” Jesus, who supposedly was both “fully God and fully man”, brings no redemption because the God-nature, being immortal by definition, did not die. The Bible says we have been reconciled to God by the death of his Son (Romans 5: 10). Either the Son of God died and we have redemption, or “God the Son” did not die (just his human nature!?) and we are yet in our sins!

The falsity of this Trinitarian claim is detected by a little cross-examination. The Trinitarian says that Jesus had to be God to atone for mankind’s sin. But then it is claimed that God didn’t die, only the human Jesus died. The very thing the Trinitarian claims was necessary for the forgiveness of sin, didn’t happen.

That Trinitarians can’t agree on such a critical question as “Did God die?” is evidence that they have a misconceived idea of who God is. They are not thinking biblically.

-Bill Schlegel-

Blessings everyone

How can Jesus be a mere man?

Some have characterized the Biblical Unitarian view as making Christ into
a “mere man.”
Though we do consider him a pure and genuine human being, he is not “merely” anything.

  • Jesus is unique; he is God’s supernaturally-conceived and only begotten son (John 3:16), he is the uniquely empowered agent of heaven, the anointed King of God’s kingdom and our Lord (1 Corinthians 8:6b).
  • He is the ultimate Prophet foretold by God to Israel (Deuteronomy 18:18).
  • He is the savior of the world, the only one to have lived a sinless life, and one whom God made the source of eternal salvation (Hebrews 5:8-9).
  • He is furthermore the only human being to have been raised from the dead into immortal glory (Colossians 1:18, Revelation 1:5) and is now sitting at the right hand of God with full honor and majesty (Psalm 110:1). Surely this is a person who is not “merely” anything.

Despite these great honors, it is true that Christ is a man, and a man-made “like his brothers in every way” (Hebrews 2:17). We are told that “he is not ashamed to call them brothers” (Hebrews 2:10-11); indeed, he consistently referred to his followers as “these brothers and sisters of mine” (Matthew 25:40, Matthew 12:50, Matthew 28:10), and indicated that they would ultimately reign with him in his Kingdom (Luke 22:30, Revelation 3:21, 2 Timothy 2:12). It is because Christ has “taken the lead among” humanity that he is considered “the firstborn among many brothers and sisters” (Romans 8:29). If one holds that Jesus just is God however, then one must ultimately consider oneself a brother or sister to God, which seems to overstep the message of the New Testament.

The writer of Hebrews adamantly taught that Jesus had to be a real human being in order to atone for our sins: “Therefore, he had to be made like his brethren in all things, so that he might become a merciful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people” (Hebrews 2:17). Jesus perfectly fit the requirements of high priesthood precisely because he was a man: “Every high priest is a man chosen to represent other people in their dealings with God” (Hebrews 5:1).

The Apostle Paul tells the Corinthian church, “For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man” (1 Corinthians 15:21) and again to the Romans, “through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous”
(Romans 5:15,19).

He also referred to Christ as “the last Adam,” indicating a parallel to the first Adam; both were made in the image of God, both were created as sinless human beings. Of course, the first Adam made a mess of things, and the last Adam is fixing them even now–this is the underlying message from Paul.

Paul also explained that Christ, whom he calls “the man,” is the appointed mediator between the one God and the rest of mankind (1 Timothy 2:5). He furthermore informs us that God “has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed” (Acts 17:31). These are only a fraction of the teachings we find in the New Testament declaring Christ’s humanity.

Lastly, the Apostle John gave us a stark warning that “many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist” (1 John 4:2-3, 2 John 1:7). In other words, Jesus is a real flesh-and-blood human being. If he was more than a human being, say an angel, or God, we would expect the Apostles to clearly teach these things, especially if such warnings were given about the dangers of getting it wrong. However, John does not speak of any inherent deity or dual-natures, but simply that Jesus was human. Given that there are no clear explanations of his being anything but human, we believe we have rightly taken the most biblical stance possible, that the Lord Jesus, the son of God, is and always has been a human being.

-TheGodofJesus-

Blessings everyone

Has Man Seen God?

Knowing God

When thinking about Mans interaction with God and whether or not they have seen him there are a few passages that come to mind.

Genesis 32:30 (NASB) So Jacob named the place Peniel, for [he said,] “I have seen God face to face, yet my life has been preserved.”

Judges 13:22 (NASB) So Manoah said to his wife, “We will surely die, for we have seen God.”

John 1:18 (NASB) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]

John 6:46 (NASB) “Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.

1 John 4:12 (NASB) No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.

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Eyes to See!

Knowing God

Having come out of the oneness understanding of the Godhead I remember using certain passages to say things they never intended to say. One day I was discussing one of these passages with a dear brother of mine. The passage we were discussing is found in John 14.

John 14:6-9 (NASB) Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.” Philip *said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

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MOST Christians Do Not BELIEVE Jesus.

HOW MANY IS GOD? – ACCORDING TO JESUS

According to Jesus, God is strictly one Person, not three. Christians who value Jesus as the supreme revealer of truth should consider his classic words, uttered in a final prayer. “You, Father, are the only one who is truly God” (John 17:3). He defined salvation as belief in that One and only true God, and in himself as the Messiah (John 17:3).

It is a serious hijacking of the words of Jesus if one adds to Jesus’ creed. For Jesus, his Father is “the one who alone is truly God, the only one who is truly God, the one true God” (see also John 5:44 and Mark 12:29).

Those utterances are more than clear. They are without a hint of ambiguity. Yet they have been abandoned by the church bearing the name of Jesus. The church has for centuries, since post-biblical times, defined God as three Persons. Jesus defined God as one Person, the Father. There is a very great difference. That difference calls for extensive rethinking and reform. We cannot risk fragmenting God. Jesus believed and taught strict unitary monotheism. He had never heard of the Trinity – or if he had he rejected it. So should his followers.

Centuries later, after church councils had invented iron-clad creeds and imposed them on the faithful, Augustine came face to face with Jesus’ definition of God as the “only one who is truly God.” What was he to do? The church by then had lost Jesus’ creed. It propagated everywhere belief that God was three Persons. That innocent sentence in John 17:3 stated that God was a single person, not three persons. Here is Augustine’s “solution.” He wrote: “The proper order of the words is:
‘that they may know You and Jesus Christ, the only true God’” (Homilies on John).

One can have the words of Jesus on this great issue or the words of the post-biblical creeds. It is hard to see how one can have both at the same time. Following Jesus means believing his teachings. Jesus’ teaching about how many Persons are the One God is really not difficult: You, Father, are the only true God.”
Jesus is the Lord Messiah (Luke 2:11; Ps. 110:1), the Son of God (Matt. 16:16), but not the One True God. The word “one” should be clear to all.

If anyone has any questions about this, let him consult the thousands upon thousands of singular personal pronouns used for God in the Bible. “I,” “Me,” “Mine,” “Myself,” “Thee,” “Thy,” “Thine,” “Thyself,” “He,” “Him,” “His,” “Himself.” All these words, as well as God’s proper name Yahweh, followed by singular verbs (6700 times), ought to convince the open-minded that God is one Person, not more. And monotheism – belief that God is one – is, according to Jesus, of critical importance (Mark 12:29).

Jesus, the Son of God, is the perfect human reflection of the One God, his Father. But he is not God. He is the sinless second Adam and the “prophet to be raised up from the house of Israel” (Deut. 18:15-18). Created and begotten in the womb of his mother under the power of God’s spirit, he is designated “Son of God” (Luke 1:35). The idea that he is “eternally begotten” not only has no recognizable meaning in language, but it is false to Scripture. “Eternal generation” contradicts the important biblical fact that the Son of God was begotten “today,” not in eternity (Ps. 2:7; …)

Blessings everyone

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LORD in the OT, Lord in the NT

I used to teach that Jesus being called Lord meant that he was YHWH the all caps LORD of the OT. I would take Paul’s conversion where he is encountered by the Lord in Acts 9 and say here Jesus identifies himself as YHWH. Paul as a Jew knowing God was one LORD, ask who are you Lord? And Jesus responds I am Jesus who you are persecuting. It all sounds good and seems like truth from the outside but it only seems that way because we were withholding information that would help us understand who Paul actually encountered.

1) All caps LORD in the OT is actually the name of God, YHVH …

2) Lord in the NT is Kyrios, It is not the name of God. The Term is used of someone of authority and used also for God depending on the Context.

So yes Paul asked who are you Lord, but not who are you YHVH?
He realized he had encountered someone of great power and authority. He did not believe it was God; considering he thought he was doing God a service and he was sure he knew God.
Rather he was asking who this person of great power was, well Jesus answers
“I am Jesus!” What a turning point for Paul considering he was persecuting all those who would preach or call upon that name.

The Bible tells us that after this glorious and powerful encounter he went about preaching Jesus is the Son of God, not YHVH (Acts 9:20).

The Bible tells us that Jesus is Lord but not that he is LORD meaning YHVH because
Acts 2:36 tells us that God (YHVH) MADE Jesus both Lord and Christ.
No one makes GOD ‘LORD’; nor does YHVH make another YHVH. For YHVH is One!

The clearest passages that show Jesus being called Lord does not mean he is
YHVH the Almighty are the greetings of the Apostles. They say
Blessed be the God and Father of our “Lord” Jesus the Anointed.

We can understand that Jesus although he is Lord he has a God over him. The theme of the New Testament comes from its most quoted Hebrew text…

Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD (YHWH) says to my lord (adoni, human Lord): “Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”

This same Jesus has God raised from the dead and made him both Lord and Christ!

Regards Micah 5:2

“So they said to him, “In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written by the prophet: ‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, Are not the least among the rulers of Judah; For out of you shall come a Ruler Who will shepherd My people Israel.’ ””

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭2:5-6‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

As I was reading today I noticed Matthew quotes from Micah 5:2 and he does not quote the entire verse. Now we know there were not chapter and verse divisions but I thought it was interesting where Matthew stops. Let’s look at Micah 5:2

““But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting.””
‭‭Micah‬ ‭5:2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

It’s amazing to me that many will quote this verse today properly pointing it to Christ but they want to focus on the last phrase, “Whose goings forth are from old, from everlasting.” They do so trying to prove Jesus was somehow God. Yet Matthew feels no need to quote that part that is not his focus.

You see when it says “Whose goings forth are from Old, from everlasting”, It’s not trying to say the Shepherd is an eternal being. It’s telling us that this was God’s purpose and plan from everlasting, it’s good as done even though it had not yet been accomplished.
I believe the reason why Matthew does not say the last phrase is because the prophecy had been fulfilled in Christ, there was no need to make this statement of God’s predetermined will. Matthew was simply saying Jesus was that promised shepherd and Ruler based on his fulfillment of that prophecy.

If you must continue don’t just read verse 2 but continue on to see who this shepherd and Ruler is. It does not portray him as God himself but rather the servant of God.

“Therefore He shall give them up, Until the time that she who is in labor has given birth; Then the remnant of His brethren Shall return to the children of Israel. And He shall stand and feed His flock In the strength of YHWH, In the majesty of the name of YHWH His God; And they shall abide, For now He shall be great To the ends of the earth;”
‭‭Micah‬ ‭5:3-4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

He (Jesus) will stand in the strength of YHWH and in the majesty of the name of YHWH 👉His God👈. My brothers and sisters let us take the prophets at their word and believe this is fulfilled in Christ. Christ is our ruler, however he rules in the strength and majesty of His God and our God, YHWH.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!