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TRINITARIAN & ONENESS CARD TRICKS & SLEIGHT OF HAND

The doctrines of the Trinity and Oneness are akin to magicians’ card tricks in their use of
sleight of hand.

This is demonstrated here by three presentations.

The first two are taken from the TheTrinityDelusion website.

Although I do not agree with all of his views; he nevertheless has a wonderful collection of edifying articles and videos.
Here is his introduction from his YouTube website:

About The Trinity Delusion

Sobering words, do you not agree! Please consider them.

So these two presentations show the Trinitarian use of sleight of hand :-

Trinitarian Sleight of Hand –
The Fifth YAHWEH Illusion

Trinitarian Trickery – The Two Being Jesus

Now let us look at the Oneness doctrine use of sleight of hand :-

Two Witnesses: Oneness Sleight of Hand

“Even in your law it has been written that the testimony of two men is true. I am he who testifies about myself, and the Father who sent me testifies about me.” – John 8:17-18 (All Scripture references are from the NASB)

Have you ever seen a really good magician do card tricks? If he is practiced enough, he can fool even the most attentive audience. One technique that is often used in card tricks is called “sleight of hand”. Cambridge Online Dictionary has, as one of it’s definitions for sleight of hand, “skilful hiding of the truth in order to win an advantage”. Using a sleight of hand move called the “double lift” a magician can make you believe that he has turned over the top card of a deck, when in fact he has turned over two. Through “palming” he can hide a card in the palm of his hand without you ever noticing.

The New Testament is full of verses that plainly draw a distinction between the Father and the Son:

“Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.” – Phil. 1:2

“Now may our God and Father Himself and Jesus our Lord direct our way to you;” –
1 Thes. 3:11

“what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.” – 1 John 1:3

These verses and many others present Jesus and his Father as two persons. Oneness theologians have developed clever ways of interpreting these verses, as demonstrated by one of their foremost theologians, David Bernard:

“By referring to the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, the writers were emphasizing two roles of God and the importance of accepting Him in both roles. Not only must we believe in God as our Creator and Father, but we must accept Him as manifested in the flesh through Jesus Christ.” (David K. Bernard, The Oneness of God p. 208)

Of all the verses that clearly indicate that the Father and the Son are two distinct persons, each with their own mind, will, and spirit, none presents a greater challenge to Oneness doctrine (at least in my former Oneness thinking mind) than John 8:17-18.

Here Jesus is quoting Deuteronomy 17:6:

“On the evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses, he who is to die shall be put to death; he shall not be put to death on the evidence of one witness.”

In the Law of Moses, which came from God, the Israelites were told that one witness was not enough to sentence someone to death. This was a safeguard built into the law which would help to prevent a false witness from causing an innocent person’s death. A death sentence against an innocent would, because of this law, require a conspiracy of two or more people. In the eighth chapter of John, Jesus is claiming to be the Light of the world and calling on people to follow him. The Pharisees, ignoring how the Father had already provided a witness to Jesus through his works (John 5:36), supposed that he was simply testifying about himself and could therefore be rejected. Jesus’ response to them should cause all Oneness believers to pause:

“Even in your law it has been written that the testimony of two men is true. I am he who testifies about myself, and the Father who sent me testifies about me.”

Notice the Scripture does not say that the testimony of two natures is true, but of two men, that is, persons. In order to avoid Nestorianism, which teaches that Jesus Christ was actually two people (the Father and the Son), Oneness adherents, like their Trinitarian opponents, teach that Jesus was one person with a “dual nature”.

“From the Bible we see that Jesus Christ had two distinct natures in a way that no other human being has ever had. One nature is human or fleshly; the other nature is divine or Spirit. Jesus was both fully man and fully God. The name Jesus refers to the eternal Spirit of God (the Father) dwelling in the flesh.” (Bernard, p. 86)

However, this one person with two natures idea begins to break down rather quickly when we consider Bernard’s next statement:

“When we read a statement about Jesus we must determine if it describes Jesus as a man or as God. Moreover, whenever Jesus speaks in Scripture we must determine whether He is speaking as man or as God.” (Bernard, p. 87)

If Jesus is one person, one mind, one center of consciousness, then how is it that we, when reading the Scriptures, should have to determine which “person” he is speaking as? Despite the semantics, Nestorianism is not avoided. Moreover, Oneness believers must, in John 8:18, turn Jesus into the master magician. The Pharisees think that he has lifted the top card and shown them the human Jesus card, but in reality he has performed a “double lift” and actually has the Father Jesus card hidden on top.

If Jesus and his Father are not two persons, then his argument in claiming his Father as another witness loses all force. In a court of law, one does not have the option of calling another nature to the stand to corroborate a story, but one can call another person. While he admitted that his own testimony was actually enough, given that he is the Truth, to satisfy them he called another witness to the stand: his Father.

Jesus was not and is not a deceptive trickster, twisting laws and finding loopholes in order to win an advantage. The fact that he used the argument of two witnesses proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that Jesus and his Father are two distinct persons.

SOURCE: http://lhim.org/blog/2012/06/27/two-witnesses-oneness-sleight-of-hand/

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MAN ENOUGH! – GOD ENOUGH! – MARK A. JONES

“There is no Dual Nature –

Jesus is Man Enough”

Mark A. Jones

Pastor Mark Jones of Tennessee takes up the matter of the post-biblical tradition of the supposed dual nature of Christ. Pastor Jones tells us that Jesus has no dual nature. Rather, that as the true human Son of God, Jesus is “Man Enough” to purchase the salvation of mankind. This video produced by J. Dan Gill of 21st Century Reformation http://www.21stcr.org.

God Enough! Pastor Mark Jones

Pastor Mark Jones of Tennessee teaches about the sufficienty of the Father as the only true God. Mark tells us that the Father needs no help from other “God Persons” – He is “God Enough” to do everything that needs to be done by God. This video produced by J. Dan Gill of 21st Century Reformation http://www.21stcr.org.

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Platonic Christianity – Rejecting the Kingdom of God as “Crude” – Sean Finnegan

Platonic Christianity –
Rejecting the Kingdom of God as “Crude”

Sean Finnegan

Pastor Sean Finnegan of New York addresses the matter of Platonic influences on post-Biblical Christianity. Sean particularly talks about the Christian Platonist’s idea that the Biblical concept of God’s Kingdom on earth was “crude”. For more teaching by Sean Finnegan go to 21st Century Reformation http://www.21stcr.org.